When the IRS Adds a Digit…

Clients of ours filed their tax returns 15 days ago, and this morning received their refund from the IRS. They were expecting $523 and they got that, and just a bit more: The direct deposit was $3,523!

The clients had already looked at their return, and it showed $523 as the refund amount (and I pulled it up, and verified that). We looked at the IRS’s Where’s My Refund website and it shows $3,523. My clients called the bank and verified that the refund that was deposited was $3,523.

My clients are not entitled to the extra $3,000. As much as they’d like to keep the money, that’s not allowed. And it’s clearly an error. Their return is straightforward (they’re retired, and they received the same 1099-R’s and social security as in past years). There’s no new 1099-R with an extra $3,000 of withholding. (We also both double-checked the withholding amounts on the return, and they are correct.)

The IRS does have guidance on what to do in this situation: Tax Topic 161 covers an erroneous refund. In case of a direct deposit, you contact your bank’s ACH department and have them return the funds. You also must call the IRS and explain what’s happened. Additionally, there should be a letter issued by the IRS sent to you as to why the IRS changed the refund amount. We’re going to allow a week for that letter to show up, but come next Monday the clients will be returning the funds.

Unfortunately, as of today there’s no way for the clients to call the IRS up and explain what’s happened (all IRS phone lines are down). If they were to mail a letter, it might be months before someone reads it. All they can do is call the IRS up when phone lines reopen.

By the way, suppose you receive someone else’s refund; can you keep the money? No, that’s likely theft. Indeed, there have been prosecutions when this has happened. There almost always is no free money.

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PPP: When Free Money Isn’t So Free

The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loans seem too good to be true. You get money for paying employees and necessary expenses, and they might not have to be repaid! It’s free money.

Well, not so fast.

Yesterday, the IRS released Notice 2020-32. The notice, which runs seven pages, can be boiled down to one very long sentence:

Specifically, this notice clarifies that no deduction is allowed under the Internal Revenue Code (Code) for an expense that is otherwise deductible if the payment of the expense results in forgiveness of a covered loan pursuant to section 1106(b) of the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act (CARES Act), Public Law 116-136, 134 Stat. 281, 286-93 (March 27, 2020) and the income associated with the forgiveness is excluded from gross income for purposes of the Code pursuant to section 1106(i) of the CARES Act.

In English, if your PPP loan is forgiven, you cannot take a deduction for any expenses related to the income that isn’t taxable. Now, how forgiveness is determined isn’t certain at this point, but the IRS’s view is that expenses that result in tax-exempt income aren’t deductible.

So let’s say you have a loan that is forgiven of $10,000. Is it better to pay back the loan (the interest rate is 1%), and not lose the tax credits for employee retention, or lose the business expenses and tax credit? Since we don’t yet know the full details on forgiveness it’s not possible to say much more here, but I strongly suspect the answer will be, “It depends.”

Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), chair of the Finance Committee, wasn’t happy with the IRS decision. He’s quoted in the Wall Street Journal: “The intent was to maximize small businesses’ ability to maintain liquidity, retain their employees and recover from this health crisis as quickly as possible. This notice is contrary to that intent.” So it’s possible Congress will override the IRS’s view on this. We will just have to wait and see.

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IRS’s “Get My Payment” App Now Works for Filers Who Neither Owed Tax Nor Received a Refund

Kudos to the IRS. The IRS’s “Get My Payment” App was updated again this weekend, and now works for just about everyone. The last group of individuals who couldn’t use the app–those who filed returns and neither owed tax nor received a refund–can now use the app and enter their banking information.

Given that this is a program less than a month old, I must give lots of credit here to the IRS. They have gotten it up and working for most everyone. And they’ve distributed nearly 100 million payments. There’s really nothing to complain about here.

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Professional Gamblers (and Other Gambling Businesses) Now Eligible for PPP Loans

The Small Business Administration today released new guidance on the Paycheck Protection Plan (PPP) loans. Included in the guidance is an FAQ that states:

Are businesses that receive revenue from legal gaming eligible for a PPP Loan?

A business that is otherwise eligible for a PPP Loan is not rendered ineligible due to its receipt of legal gaming revenues, and 13 CFR 120.110(g) is inapplicable to PPP loans. Businesses that received illegal gaming revenue remain categorically ineligible. On further consideration, the Administrator, in consultation with the Secretary, believes this approach is more consistent with the policy aim of making PPP loans available to a broad segment of U.S. businesses.

This means that as of today professional gamblers are now eligible for PPP loans. If you’re a professional gambler and are out of business, now is the time to apply with your bank. While there was additional funding for PPP loans approved this week, it will likely be used up quickly. Do note that if you partake in any illegal gambling activities you remain ineligible for PPP loans.

Additionally, small pubs with gambling activity (very common here in Las Vegas) are eligible for PPP loans.

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IRS’s “Get My Payment” App Now Works for Most 2018 Filers

If you filed your 2018 return but haven’t filed 2019, and you wanted to update your information on the IRS’s “Get My Payment” App, you’ve been frustrated because it hasn’t worked. Last night, the IRS updated the information to include such individuals in the app, and most (but not all) can now enter their banking information for direct deposit of the stimulus checks. It’s worth trying if you (like me) are in that situation. I was able to enter my banking information, so I should receive a direct deposit in the next couple of weeks.

There is one group of taxpayers who will not be able to use the app: Those with $0 balances who filed. If you filed your 2019 return (or 2018 return if you haven’t filed 2019) and the tax due was $0 (neither owing tax nor receiving a refund), the app will not work for you, and you will have to wait for a check in the mail (unless the IRS makes another update to the app).

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When Will the Stimulus Checks be Mailed?

Something I missed was an article in the Washington Post giving details of mailing stimulus payments. The Motley Fool took it and laid out the dates that stimulus payments will be mailed. I note those dates below.

But there’s another issue: Let’s say your Adjusted Gross Income (AGI) is $55,000 and you haven’t filed your return. You file it on May 1st. Will you get your stimulus check the week of May 29th (assuming you don’t use direct deposit)? Probably not. (The IRS will be mailing checks out for that AGI range that week.)

The issue here is it takes time for both a tax return to get into the IRS computer system and for the IRS to mail a check. First, it takes four weeks (on average) for a return to post into the IRS computer system from date of filing. Second, it takes two weeks (on average) for the IRS to issue a check. That is, if the IRS hits a button to issue you a check today, you would receive that check in two weeks.

So let’s look at the mailing dates:

  • AGI of $10,000 or less: Week ending April 24
  • AGI of $10,000 to $20,000: Week ending May 1
  • AGI of $20,000 to $30,000: Week ending May 8
  • AGI of $30,000 to $40,000: Week ending May 15
  • AGI of $40,000 to $50,000: Week ending May 22
  • AGI of $50,000 to $60,000: Week ending May 29
  • AGI of $60,000 to $70,000: Week ending June 5
  • AGI of $70,000 to $80,000: Week ending June 12
  • AGI of $80,000 to $90,000: Week ending June 19
  • AGI of $90,000 to $100,000: Week ending June 26
  • AGI of $100,000 to $110,000: Week ending July 3
  • AGI of $110,000 to $120,000: Week ending July 10
  • AGI of $120,000 to $130,000: Week ending July 17
  • AGI of $130,000 to $140,000: Week ending July 24
  • AGI of $140,000 to $150,000: Week ending July 31
  • AGI of $150,000 to $160,000: Week ending August 7
  • AGI of $160,000 to $170,000: Week ending August 14
  • AGI of $170,000 to $180,000: Week ending August 21
  • AGI of $180,000 to $190,000: Week ending August 28
  • AGI of $190,000 to $198,000: Week ending September 4
  • All other checks: Week ending September 11

So let’s say you did not have a 2018 filing requirement, and you file your 2019 return with an AGI of $65,000 and owe tax; your check would be issued the week ending June 12. But let’s say you file your return on June 13th; in that case, your check would be issued at the end (the week of September 11th).

We believe that if you are “missed” by the IRS you can use the IRS’s Get My Payment tool after your return is filed to convert your check to a direct deposit.

A key point is that these are the dates of mailing, not the date your check is generated. So you need to subtract two weeks for the date the check is generated. You also need to subtract four weeks for the date a return gets into the IRS computer system. So for a check to be issued the week of June 12th, a return needs to be in the system six weeks earlier, or by the week of May 1st. Now, I am making assumptions based on my knowledge of how the IRS works but I believe them to be accurate.

What this means is that now is the time to file tax returns if you want your stimulus payment. The IRS saying the sooner the better is correct.

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Why “Get My Payment” Doesn’t Work for 2018 Filers who Owed Tax and Haven’t Filed 2019 Returns

UPDATE: The IRS updated the app; as of April 24th, the app now works for most 2018 filers. See my new post.

So let’s say your income was low enough in 2018 so you qualify for a Recovery Rebate/Economic Impact (aka stimulus) payment. You go to the IRS’s “Get My Payment” app, enter the information, and see the message:

According to information that we have on file, we cannot determine your eligibility for a payment at this time.

You want to enter your banking information to get a direct deposit. It turns out that you have two options: Receive a paper check during the next few weeks (to months), or file your 2019 tax return. The IRS added the following message regarding 2018 filers:

2018 Filers: If you need to change your account information or mailing address, file your 2019 taxes electronically as soon as possible. That is the only way to let us know your new information. [emphasis added]

So if you are an individual who will qualify based on 2018 or 2019, file 2019. If you’re an individual who will not qualify based on 2019 but do qualify based on 2018, you cannot enter banking information in the “Get My Payment” app. You’re stuck receiving a paper check sometime (unless the IRS updates the app).

Additionally, if you moved you should contact the IRS when they reopen to provide your new mailing address. I would suggest a phone call given that it will take weeks to months for the IRS to process paper change-of-address forms. I also strongly suggest maintaining a forwarding order with the Postal Service.

I would hope the IRS would change their app so that individuals like me who cannot file for months (I’m waiting on a K-1 that usually shows up in late July or early August) could enter their banking information. Unfortunately, it looks like I’ll get a paper check this summer.

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“Get My Payment” Is Up, But…

The IRS’s new app, “Get My Payment,” is now active. In theory, if you use this app you can update your banking information and check to see when your Recovery Rebate payment will be made. If you need to add or correct direct deposit information, this is where to do so.

But the app had no information for me. I filed my 2018 return timely (I have not yet filed 2019 as I’m waiting on a K-1), and the app returned, “According to information that we have on file, we cannot determine your eligibility for a payment at this time.” That doesn’t make sense as we qualify based on 2018.

I suspect the issue is that the IRS is, for now, just going through 2019 returns that have been filed and have not yet looked at 2018 returns. This means that those individuals who filed 2018 but not 2019 are looking at having to go back to this website multiple times and/or waiting on IRS guidance on this issue. (The app did work for someone in our office who filed his 2019 return.)

UPDATE #1: The app doesn’t work for some 2019 filers who filed early. It does work for a few who have filed 2018 but not 2019. There appears to be no rhyme or reason for the errors, nor is there an FAQ on this. Basically, the app is great for those who can use it, but it’s causing more questions than answers.

The IRS needs to explain ASAP who can use the app and get information, or when the app will be complete. A bad app is worse than no app.

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April 15th Deadlines

Yes, the tax deadline for the IRS (and federal estimated payments for the first two quarters) is July 15th. However, not all states conformed to this–especially for estimated payments. The following states all have first quarter estimated payments for individuals that are due tomorrow, April 15th:

  • Arkansas
  • District of Columbia
  • Hawaii (due April 20th)
  • Illinois
  • Iowa (due April 30th)
  • Kentucky
  • Michigan
  • Minnesota
  • New Hampshire
  • New Jersey
  • North Carolina
  • Oregon

So if you need to make estimated payments for 2020 for one of these states, do so. If you are mailing your payment, use certified mail (but not return receipt requested–there’s a possiblity no one is there to pick up the mail).

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IRS: “Don’t Call Us. Don’t Expect Us to Read Your Mail for a While.”

In May, 2019 clients amended their 2016-2018 returns. They had forgotten to tell me about a spousal nondeductible IRA contribution. We amended, included Form 5329 for each year, and expected to receive letters noting that the IRS made the changes. It wasn’t a big deal, and there was no rush in the IRS processing the amended returns. The IRS sent back letters noting 2016 and 2018 were processed (with no change to the taxpayers’ income). However, the IRS made an error when they processed 2017. Somehow a $5,500 nondeductible IRA contribution caused my clients to owe $198,500 in tax!

Now, we knew it was an error made by the IRS. So we sent a letter to the IRS pointing this out (it was sent on August 13, 2019). We also had to call the IRS up twice to stop collection activity on the ‘balance’ that was created by the misprocessing. The IRS finally resolved the situation last month (March 2020), seven months after we wrote them. (The IRS even said in the letter, “We apologize for the error.”) That’s a long time to get an initial response from the IRS.

I bring this up not because of the error but because of the current Covid situation. All IRS phone lines have been shut down. The IRS CAF unit is shut down, so tax professionals can’t send Powers of Attorney or Tax Information Authorizations. Mail is not being picked up by the IRS.

Remember the government shutdown of late 2018 to early 2019? Estimates were that it would take the IRS up to a year to recover from that. This shutdown will likely last two months (perhaps longer), and I suspect it will take many months for the IRS to recover. I have many authorizations to send to the IRS. (The CAF unit was taking weeks before the shutdown; I expect we’re now looking at months for processing. This will increase the call volume at the Practitioner Priority Service (PPS), the unit tax professionals call when dealing with the IRS.) Add in the extra thousands (at least tens of thousands) of calls dealing with the stimulus checks. Phone lines will be very backed up when the IRS reopens.

The problem is that IRS deadlines have deadlines on responses, and there are statutory deadlines. I have a client who has a 2017 correspondence audit. We sent the reply in late March. The reply, sent certified mail (but not return receipt requested), is waiting for the IRS to pick it up in Holtsville, New York. Let’s say that service center reopens in mid-May. Who knows when someone will actually read the response?

So let’s assume the IRS reads it, and denies our response, and sends us a notice around Thanksgiving (which isn’t that unreasonable). We send another response, received around Christmas…and not read until late March 2021. We now hit another deadline–the statutory deadline of April 15, 2021. So it’s likely the IRS would simply issue a Notice of Deficiency.

(For the actual correspondence audit, I don’t expect this as the matter is straightforward, and we included all the required documentation.)

Unfortunately, there are numerous matters with the IRS that can only be responded to by mail. I have another response I sent in August 2019 that has yet to be responded to.

There’s no blame to the IRS here, of course (everyone’s health is paramount). That said, we will all need patience. Representation is going to be very challenging for the rest of 2020.

Normally, we tell clients to use certified mail, return receipt requested. For now, do not use return receipt for mail you send to the IRS. (Do continue to use certified mail, though.) There’s no one to sign for your paperwork, so your correspondence could be returned to you if you use return receipt.

The rest of 2020 will not be fun when we’re dealing with the IRS.

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